Sarah Silverman on being wrong — and treating trolls with kindness (Transcript)

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[00:00:00] Sarah Silverman: My experience of life is more important to me than the idea of legacy or like I'll be dead. I don't know. I'm trying to really find joy in in life, and if I can be funny as well, that's great, and if I can't, I'm still going to choose being okay over despair or misplaced anger or needing to prove something.

[00:00:31] Adam Grant: Hey everyone, it's Adam Grant. Welcome back to rethinking my podcast on the science of what makes us Tick with the TED Audio Collective. I'm an organizational psychologist and I'm taking you inside the minds of fascinating people to explore new thoughts and new ways of thinking.

My guest today is comedian Sarah Silverman. I've been a fan ever since I first saw her on Seinfeld and SNL in the nineties, and my kids love her as Vanel and Wreck it Ralph. She hosts the Sarah Silverman podcast and is touring the US this fall and winter for her new show Postmortem. Sarah's a rare comic who makes me laugh hard and think hard.

Her latest HBO special, someone you love. Cracked me up. I was excited to talk with Sarah about courage, compassion, and her shockingly effective approach to engaging with jerks. As you'll see, she's unusually candid.

Sarah Silverman, how often do people tell you that you are one of their top four favorite comedians?

[00:01:38] Sarah Silverman: No more often than ever.

[00:01:41] Adam Grant: Okay. My kids also wanna know, is it possible that you can do this entire conversation in character as Penelope?

[00:01:48] Sarah Silverman: I mean, I'll try.

Your face is so sweet.

[00:01:54] Adam Grant: So good. I love it.

[00:01:57] Sarah Silverman: I'll try it. But I've got takes, Lexi,

[00:02:02] Adam Grant: one of the things that I've admired most about you, Sarah, is, is your boldness. Um, you, you say things that I would be afraid to think, let alone speak. And I'm, I wanna know how you got

[00:02:15] Sarah Silverman: that way. I had a, a father who thought it was hilarious to teach his toddler.

Swears he didn't do it with my older, all my sisters, but with me he did. And we were at Boys Market in, in Manchester, New Hampshire, and he had, and I just screamed out all these swears he had taught me and I was three. And the experience of all these adults around me giving me wild affirmation despite themselves.

An addiction was born. I remember just feeling this kind of glee that made my arms itch. I found this gift I had been given by my father where I could shock grownups, but they would not get mad. They would laugh. It created a, a monster and a a skill. Since I was six, I was gonna sleep over camp while I was a bed wetter till I was about 16.

So it was awful for me. It was a lesson in total disassociation. But I remember making some friends and I loved Morgan and Mindy and I had, and I loved Robin Williams and I had the big rainbow suspenders that I thought were so cool and I wore, I wore them over my camp uniform and these girls were. Kind of a clique.

And they were like these cool girls and they're like, oh, we love your suspenders. And I'm like, aren't they cool? You know? And then we went on a hike and they were kind of behind me and I could hear them like giggling and, and making fun of me a little bit. And then I turned around and I said, I. Are you guys making fun of me because of my suspenders?

Are they not cool? I just said, said it, blurted it out and it's really like, if it's mentionable, it's manageable. Like Mr. Rogers. Because they became my friends. Like they, they laughed at me and they saw that they could laugh at me in front of me,

[00:04:13] Adam Grant: which I hope made it more laughing with you

[00:04:15] Sarah Silverman: if I could be included, even if they're laughing at me.

I was thrilled, especially 'cause I, that made me the center. That was a really good lesson. You know, I, I, I could have. Stayed in my head, heard them snickering about me and making fun of me and internalized it. There's some kind of martial arts and I only learned about it on like season five of Walking Dead or something.

Where you used the force of the, the force coming towards you. Does that ring a bell? I just thought maybe Juujitsu know what

[00:04:44] Adam Grant: it's called.

[00:04:44] Sarah Silverman: Is that what Jiujitsu is?

[00:04:46] Adam Grant: Yeah.

[00:04:47] Sarah Silverman: So someone's running at you with all their force and you use that force, their own

[00:04:53] Adam Grant: inertia or force. Exactly. It's jujitsu. You're using people's force.

Not against them, but for them. So Sarah, a few years ago, I got to see a different side of you when you replied to an internet troll.

[00:05:07] Sarah Silverman: He called me a cunt. I mean, I don't usually read comments just out of self-preservation, but of course sometimes I do. And I saw it and it was something mean, you know, whatever, and, and I was walking my dog.

I remember actually, and I clicked on his profile and I read some of his tweets and I saw that he had severe back pain, and I totally relate to that. And so I responded just. Just connecting with him on that. I don't know. And then we just started connecting when, and then we moved to direct message and most of our relationship was there.

[00:05:45] Adam Grant: There are a bunch of things that, that I just found extraordinary about this story. The first one is, I, I can't even imagine wanting to engage with this person.

[00:05:53] Sarah Silverman: It's truly irrelevant because it. Has nothing to do with me at all. If it were personal, if he said I was an unfunny cunt, then it would, it would tinge a little bit,

[00:06:04] Adam Grant: you know, what motivated you to look at his timeline?

[00:06:09] Sarah Silverman: I'm always curious and I'm always curious if I see something very hateful or just kind of base. I'm, I'm curious to see the person behind it a little bit, whatever that avatar is. And so often it's, I love my country and I, God is number one or whatever, and it's like very ironic, but I, I, I also am familiar with rage and I'm familiar with the feeling of pain and the very unconscious knee-jerk desire to wanna inflict the same pain on somebody right away, whoever's in front of you.

And I mean, that's something my dad had to deal with and he did not so well. And then very well, and then I've had a lot of opportunity and resources to deal with myself, and so I can find a way in, I feel connected to that because I recognize it.

[00:07:05] Adam Grant: It's, it's so unusual, especially in this era, right? For you, you to see that kind of behavior and say, all right, not only am I gonna empathize with this person, but I'm gonna respond with compassion.

I'm, I'm just gonna read to you what you wrote. 'cause uh, I went and looked up. Oh my God,

[00:07:21] Sarah Silverman: you ha Oh, of

[00:07:22] Adam Grant: course I found it. I, I'm on the

[00:07:24] Sarah Silverman: end of my seat. Oh God.

[00:07:25] Adam Grant: Okay, ready? Here's what you said in response to him insulting you. I believe in you. I read your timeline and I see what you're doing and your rage is thinly veiled pain, but you know that.

I know this feeling. Ps my back fucking sucks too. See what happens when you choose love. I see it in you.

[00:07:45] Sarah Silverman: You know the fraud part of me goes, I don't know, someone with like a Messiah complex. This exists in a lot of comedians because, and, and in these. Unhealthy version when you're comic and everyone's laughing and there's one person not laughing, that's the only person you care about making laugh.

And I don't think that's healthy. I think it's better to see all these people listening and watching and laughing and joyful and, and open. But you see that one closed person or the one you know, whatever, and. You're laser focused on it. I believe that a hundred percent of comics become funny as a means of surviving childhood.

And so often those things that we learn are things that we really need to unlearn in adulthood. If they don't, they don't serve us anymore. But because it's our career, it's serves us. But it's, you know, something to navigate. I I, there are comics that don't wanna be happy because they're afraid they won't be funny, and I might be the perfect example of that.

One way or another, because of course there's people online going, remember when you used to be funny? And there are people that find me very funny now, but, but there is something about that fire that is good and, uh, it's finding a, a balance I guess.

[00:09:05] Adam Grant: Look, I think everybody is vulnerable to a white knight complex at some point.

It's hard for me to imagine though that you really crave the approval of an internet troll, and I still think it counts as a meaningful act of kindness that you reached out to this person and you didn't stop there. You had a whole conversation with him, um, and he apologized to you and you ended up offering to pay his medical bills and you developed this, this friendship and.

Like I, I don't think you should be so dismissive of it,

[00:09:31] Sarah Silverman: and I think the reason why you bringing this up now I have a little bit of a heavy heart, is because we lost touch. I couldn't find him, and I, I was just left worried. I don't know what happened to him.

[00:09:45] Adam Grant: Well, Jeremy, if you're listening, Sarah Silverman is looking for you.

Jeremy gave an interview a couple weeks later and he said I was once a, giving a nice person, but too many things destroyed that, and I became bitter and hateful. Then Sarah showed me the way. Don't get me wrong, I still got a long way to go, but it's a start.

[00:10:02] Sarah Silverman: I just think our purpose is taking care of each other.

If we can realize that, boy, I mean, I just think we'd all be happier. You know, like

[00:10:13] Adam Grant: I, I just looked at that and thought, I wonder if, if this can scale, could more people do this? I wonder how much of it mattered because. You're famous. And if a random, if, if he had been interacting with a random person, would it have had the same impact on him?

Would it have stopped and said, huh? Like there's a real person there.

[00:10:35] Sarah Silverman: I think it would've, it's energy and it's not just 'cause I moved to California. I, I think it's science, it's not subjective, it's subjective. Energy exists, and I mean, they do say it cannot be created nor destroyed.

[00:10:49] Adam Grant: Thermodynamics, I did not expect a, a thermodynamics reference in this conversation,

[00:10:54] Sarah Silverman: but it can be changed.

And I did have an experience of changing energy with a guy who was screaming at me outside of a weed store. He said that I. I bumped into his car with my car, and I consciously thought, this is an opportunity to see if I can change this energy, because he screamed at me, got out of his car and screamed at me, and then my heart was pounding and it was converting into range.

I. And I just said, hold on. I can catch this energy or I can try to change it. And by the end, we were, we hugged and we were laughing, and it was so successful. It was clear that his rage was not created from me. I, I, I really did not touch his car when I was parking. I didn't even kiss it, but. He had decided whatever was going on with him, he needed this.

You know, you, you went run into my car. Oh. And he said, and, and you were a woman. So I can't even do anything about it. Like, well, you were just gonna punch me, you know? And I got out and I go. Show me the damage. 'cause I'm gonna pay for this, I'm gonna make this right. And he goes, don't forget it. I said, no, I wanna see.

I, I I'm going to pay for this. I'm a woman of means and I'm responsible and I'm gonna pay for this. He goes, forget it. Just don't worry about, it's fine. You know? There was no scratch. But, so he backed off of that and I said, well, I'm going to the pot store and I'm gonna buy you pot. What's your preference?

He goes, don't you have to do that? I. Oh, I'm doing it. And, uh, he goes, the full body one. I go, indica. Okay. I go into the pot store and I, I'm standing in line and I get him a, a big indica like spliff and, and I'm getting some other things and I'm still in line. And the security guard there said, um, Hey, the metered person is stopping.

You're, you're gonna get a ticket. And I go, shit. And then he goes, oh, that guy that was yelling at you is putting change in your meter. And I go, oh, you know, like I just, it was a love language. And I said, can you believe this? Uh, we were enemies and now we're best friends. And I just, I left there beaming.

[00:13:14] Adam Grant: It's such a sweet story. I, I do feel like if this were your standup routine, you would've been like, and then I found out I gave him covid and he totally deserved it. And he, he passed away. Okay. There's a pattern here, which is you respond to these people who are nasty and aggressive by being aggressively kind.

[00:13:33] Sarah Silverman: Yeah. Yeah. And it works.

[00:13:37] Adam Grant: It reaches

[00:13:38] Sarah Silverman: them. People are just in so much pain and have no tools. You know, I play Call of Duty. This is probably not healthy at all. I, it doesn't, I, I don't know that it's doing anything good for me, but lately it's, this is what I enjoy. Wow. And I've always played like just with bots.

And then I started playing with real people. But I'm on mute. And they're on mute. And then. I put, I unmuted the people and they were like 14 year olds going, fucking kill yourself, dude. And like just screaming at me because I suck. Oh

[00:14:20] Adam Grant: no.

[00:14:21] Sarah Silverman: It's a very dark place. I mean, they were saying really a lot of language that you don't.

Here in polite society anymore, the game will be over and then all the scores are up and you can see who's talking and what their score is. And I'm always last, almost, always last, and I'll go, you know what? Whatever score you got, you guys, I'm so proud of all of you. We should all be proud. And then they see who's saying it, and I'm so mad and for some reason it tickles me, which is another side.

[00:14:54] Adam Grant: I think what you're doing, there's a, there's a foundation for it in psychology, right? Which is what most people do is they meet aggression with aggression and then it spirals and you're diffusing it by countering their expectations, making them feel seen and understood, and all of a sudden there's, there's nothing to hit.

[00:15:15] Sarah Silverman: They're showing me that they. Our Craving care.

[00:15:19] Adam Grant: I'm reminded of a, a, a riot experiment. This, I think this is on League of Legends, where they, they have all these players, you know, who are contributing to toxic chat. Basically, I. And they create a tribunal where they, when people report a player for toxic behavior, they just display the chat logs to the community, and then people vote on whether the person's behavior is toxic.

And through this self-policing system, they're able to get a lot of these people to reform because they see their reputation. I'm like, oh, wow. Like I'm not proud of the way that I acted, and a lot of people end up apologizing for it. And so it makes me wonder, like, is there, is there a next step here where you say, okay, like the first part is to show the person kindness who's being cruel.

The second part is to show them the pattern of behavior they built up. Like, here's your chat log, here's your timeline. This is the way you're showing up in the world. Is that who you want to be? Is that how you want to be seen? And for most people the answer is hell no.

[00:16:20] Sarah Silverman: I don't know. I just, I find a lot of success in gestures of care.

And, you know, is that a form of manipulation? Yeah, maybe.

[00:16:33] Adam Grant: I mean, if it is, it's the healthiest manipulation I can think of.

[00:16:37] Sarah Silverman: I remember like the kind of new wave of feminism and trying to appeal to straight men to be feminists as going like, you're gonna get so much pussy. Like if you're, you know, like you're at like feminist marches and stuff, you know?

[00:16:52] Adam Grant: Yeah. You, you don't really wanna draw people in that way. For the wrong reasons.

[00:16:58] Sarah Silverman: It's like the Bachelor, you know? You don't wanna be there for the wrong reasons.

[00:17:02] Adam Grant: I think some people would look at this, this kind of outreach that you've done and say that you're too empathetic and too forgiving. I. What's the, um, downside?

Well, if trolls are using aggression to get attention, is there a risk that you're reinforcing the behavior,

[00:17:19] Sarah Silverman: right? Like, are people now calling me a cunt online to try to connect?

[00:17:25] Adam Grant: I hope that hasn't happened.

[00:17:27] Sarah Silverman: 99% of that is I don't respond to, or, and a lot of it I don't see, but maybe, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

[00:17:36] Adam Grant: If that's how you choose to operate and your hope is that you know that that kindness then is gonna be paid forward, it seems like an investment in creating a more respectful community or at least planting those seeds of a different kind of behavior and like that seems to be an investment worth making.

[00:17:55] Sarah Silverman: Yeah. Well, good energy is also catchy. It may be a. Couple digits less catchy than negative energy,

[00:18:05] Adam Grant: but that means we need more of it.

[00:18:06] Sarah Silverman: Listen, I'm not a perfect driver and I mess up a lot, and what I've noticed is when they come up next to me, I'm already there waiting for them going, I'm so sorry, but you know, or I'll roll down and go, I'm a terrible driver.

I'm so sorry. And I mean, it diffuses it immediately. It's pretty wild. Or even like if someone. Honks at me, like go or something. One thing I'll do, and this is not nice, and it's very manipulative, is I will look in my rear view mirror at them and pretend to recognize them, like they're, I know them and go, what?

You know, and then they, they're immediately terrified and horrified because you wouldn't do that to someone, you know, it's fun.

[00:18:52] Adam Grant: I really like that, that, that, that, that is a way of holding up a mirror so they can see their own reflection and not like what is staring back at them.

[00:19:01] Sarah Silverman: I had a boyfriend once and we were fighting via email, back and forth, back and forth, and I have three sisters.

So while it's happening this big fight, I'm forwarding to my sisters all the back and forths because I need them to weigh in and. I accidentally one time forwarded it to him and I'm like, oh. And then he, he wrote back, I see that you're sending all this to your sisters. And I said, you know what? Talk to me as though all of my sisters can hear.

I. That's how I want you to treat me.

[00:19:35] Adam Grant: Did Is that when the relationship ended?

[00:19:37] Sarah Silverman: No, I actually rode on for a few more years.

[00:19:41] Adam Grant: There's a curb episode on this. It's, um, the accidental text on purpose. You could have planned this instead of just botching the message.

[00:19:49] Sarah Silverman: No, I was like, my heart was like, oh my god. You know that Fresno, and you're like, oh my God.

In the end, I was just like, no, I, I, I want you to have people you talk to about this, even if you're representing it from your skewed perspective. I don't know if this is true, but it seems like men have fewer people that they talk to about their relationship, about what's going on in their lives, and I just think people need that.

I went on one date with my boyfriend. My current boyfriend, we've been together for four years and was turned off for whatever reason, my own shit. And then I was FaceTiming with my best friend since high school and I'm telling her everything and I'm telling it from my perspective. And she just listened to it.

And then she just goes, you're a fucking asshole. And I was like, what? She's like, you're so judgemental. Like, can you even imagine how he was probably nervous. He was probably, you know, whatever. And. If I didn't have that, if I didn't have that sounding board, I wouldn't be with this person. That is my person, that's my family, you know?

Now

[00:21:02] Adam Grant: that is such a good example of a friend, not just being a support network, but also a challenge network, and I love that. There's a relationship that's strong enough where somebody can just call you out directly on that.

[00:21:15] Sarah Silverman: Part of my living as a comedian is being flawed to me. It's like a massive relief to be, to realize I'm wrong.

[00:21:23] Adam Grant: You don't even have to admit that you were wrong to say, I'm sorry for the impact my behavior had on you.

[00:21:30] Sarah Silverman: Oh, that's so great. Yeah.

[00:21:36] Adam Grant: Are you up for lightning?

[00:21:38] Sarah Silverman: Yeah.

[00:21:39] Adam Grant: What is the worst advice you've ever gotten?

[00:21:42] Sarah Silverman: Uh, my dad, who became my best friend, but was a very angry, unhinged, ragey young dad. If I cried, he would say, only babies cry. Please don't think of my father that way. He had an incredible turnaround in his older life, and, but that's how he dealt with

[00:22:04] Adam Grant: tears.

Wow.

[00:22:05] Sarah Silverman: Yeah.

[00:22:06] Adam Grant: How about best advice?

[00:22:08] Sarah Silverman: Only babies cry. No, I'm thinking of something my mom said after being hurt by a a man, and I was just devastated. And we were walking in New York. She came to visit me and she said something like, don't learn to protect yourself from that because love is worth risking. That kind of pain.

It was something I couldn't imagine in that moment that I would ever get over this person, which is, thinking of it now is insane, but of course, that's the joy of time.

[00:22:44] Adam Grant: Sage advice.

[00:22:46] Sarah Silverman: Charlie Kaufman said, don't fear, fear failure. Wear failure as a badge of honor. It means you risked failure.

[00:22:54] Adam Grant: Here's, here's one that, that I know will be easy for you.

What is an unpopular opinion you currently hold?

[00:23:01] Sarah Silverman: Oh. I, I will say I am right now in enjoying Call of Duty and. I, I don't know why I get joy out of this, but the haptics of killing, it's just like this little vibration from the, the what controller when you kill someone, and it's incredibly satisfying and I, I don't understand it.

[00:23:29] Adam Grant: I'm really hoping it's the haptics of success. Not of killing.

[00:23:33] Sarah Silverman: Oh, that makes sense.

[00:23:35] Adam Grant: Like I won the game. What's a prediction you have for the future of comedy?

[00:23:40] Sarah Silverman: Comedy always finds a way. I'm not worried about comedy. There's just such brilliant stuff out there and it's exciting and it's important for someone like me who's getting older to be connected to it and not be out of touch.

I mean, I, I, you can see when comics become very successful. They either stay in touch and grow and change, or they become caricatures of. This one's popular thing, or they become totally out of touch. They're not shopping for groceries for themselves anymore. They're not doing for themselves. They're not living a life that is necessarily relatable.

So, you know, I, I love comedy. I'm a comedian, is who I am. I'm assuming you've seen Tim Robinson. I think you should leave.

[00:24:31] Adam Grant: I haven't, should I?

[00:24:32] Sarah Silverman: It is so brilliant and so funny, and like nothing I've seen before. Yeah. I just,

[00:24:40] Adam Grant: I'm excited to check it out.

[00:24:41] Sarah Silverman: Oh, I can't wait. Like, will you email me and let me know?

It's, it's really something.

[00:24:46] Adam Grant: What is a question you have for me?

[00:24:49] Sarah Silverman: I didn't know this was a part of it. Ugh.

[00:24:51] Adam Grant: You don't have to ask one.

[00:24:53] Sarah Silverman: What?

[00:24:53] Adam Grant: I just, I always feel bad hogging the mic.

[00:24:55] Sarah Silverman: What brought you to where you are? What made you interested in all this stuff? What is, what was your inciting incident in seeking more?

[00:25:07] Adam Grant: One of the, the pivotal moments for me was just being a really shy, introverted kid and. Struggling with first making friends and then keeping friends, and I think probably when my entire friend group dropped me in middle school after one of them stole my basketball and denied it, it was such a.

Devastating in the moment, but looking back, fascinating moment of why did this happen and what do I need to understand about people to make sure it never happens again? And it turned out to be really useful because it got me, it got me thinking about what kind of friend I wanted to be and how I wanted to treat other people.

And I think it was a character building moment.

[00:25:51] Sarah Silverman: And in the moment when you were a kid. What was that feeling? You, what do you, were you enraged that your friend wouldn't admit that he took it and that, that feeling of being wronged? Oh my God, I see little you right now. I just,

[00:26:10] Adam Grant: I, I I had a lot more hair.

Yeah. I, I think at first I was, I was confused because like. Why would he do this to me? And then I think it turned into some kind of righteous indignation or moral outrage. And I decided like I was not gonna let people treat me like that. And if that's who he was, I was gonna go find other friends. I don't wanna say I'm glad it happened, but it was a useful, it was a useful experience to go through.

[00:26:40] Sarah Silverman: Yeah.

[00:26:41] Adam Grant: And I, I, I still want the basketball back, Alan, if you're listening.

[00:26:45] Sarah Silverman: But isn't it funny those things that. On their surface seems so silly and are really, make an imprint on us, you know?

[00:26:54] Adam Grant: Yeah. It still bothers me. I, I loved watching the emotional arc on your face as I told that story, by the way.

[00:27:00] Sarah Silverman: Oh, well, I just, I could see, see her eyes.

I could see little you.

[00:27:05] Adam Grant: Aw, Sarah, before we wrap, I wanted to give you a chance to give us a little preview of your postmortem tour. What should we expect?

[00:27:14] Sarah Silverman: It's called postmortem because it's actually about my dad and my stepmother died a year ago, last May, nine days apart. And it's all about it. Just the funny parts.

Well, no, all of it. A lot of it.

[00:27:30] Adam Grant: I'm sorry. But also thank you. I'm glad you found some humor in it.

[00:27:35] Sarah Silverman: Yeah. You know, it's, this is a really soon special for me after the last one, uh, which. Came out as they were dying. And you know, it started with my eulogy at my dad's funeral and there was just so much good stuff there.

I was like, oh, this is really good. You know? And uh, and I don't feel guilty about it because I know that they love it. It especially him, and it feels good. There's like a little bit of dread every time I do it just because it's. Fresh ish and I ache for them. You know, I was very close with them, especially my dad, but really both of them.

But it's, it's really nice too. So that's what it is. It's really not political. It's, you know, and I'm on tour, you know, during the election.

[00:28:18] Adam Grant: This is very on brand. Like you need, you need some help dealing with political stress. I have the perfect antidote for you.

[00:28:25] Sarah Silverman: Yeah.

[00:28:26] Adam Grant: We're gonna talk about death. That's gonna be your escape.

[00:28:29] Sarah Silverman: I. Yeah, let's talk about lighter things like life and death and things that are guaranteed.

[00:28:36] Adam Grant: Well, Sarah, I don't, I don't wanna keep you any longer, but I, I do wanna say this has been so fun, so thought provoking and just refreshing more than anything else because I think you're the only person I've met in a long time who loves email as much as I do.

[00:28:51] Sarah Silverman: Thank you. I love talking to you. Take care.

[00:28:54] Adam Grant: You too. Bye-Bye.

I love Sarah's observation that energy can't be created or destroyed, but it can be changed. Think of it as pro-social juujitsu. Taking the anger and rage and pain that people are expressing and trying to convert it and help them channel it towards something that's more constructive for them and for you.

We need more of that in the world.

Rethinking is hosted by me. Adam Grant, the show is part of the Ted Audio Collective, and this episode was produced and mixed by Cosmic Standard. Our producers are Hannah, Kingsley Ma and Asia Simpson. Our editor is Alejandra Salazar. Our fact checker is Paul Durbin. Original music by Hans Dale Sue and Allison Layton Brown.

Our team includes Eliza Smith, Jacob Winnick, Samaya Adams, Roxanne Highl, Baban Chang, Julia Dickerson, and Whitney Pennington Rogers.

[00:29:50] Sarah Silverman: I have no idea what I was saying. What was the topic? Oh my gosh, I don't remember. Please let things, please let this be menopause and not dementia.